His emails have a blue background ... mine have the pink background ... This is a display of a ridiculous waste of time ... this man is arguing with me because he didn't follow directions and I should have to bend to his request ... bullshit ... it is my auction and I set the rules ... that there should be the end of the story ...

Sent: Mon 4/8/2002 8:50 PM Bill I received your money order today but I am going to need to send it back. My auction and the email I sent you stated that if you are paying by money order it needs to be a US Postal Service money order so I can cash it at  the post office. My bank will not take a personal money order nor will they take anything made out to DNL [domain removed for posting] I am guessing you can cash it where you got it or have them cancel it and then you can pay by paypal or get a money order at the post office. Liz

Sent: Tue 4/9/2002 3:24 AM That is a money order from Wells Fargo Bank, and it is the biggest bank in the Southwest. Nobody will cash it? If so, I need to discuss this with the bank, and find out what is wrong with a MO guaranteed by a bank that size. I use them here at many businesses, and they treat it as cash. In over 150 transactions in the last 4 months, this is the first time anyone has told me that a Wells Fargo Money Order was not good. The check was made out to the business I was supplied. i.e. "DnL [domain removed for posting] [address removed for posting] Thanks for bidding :)Liz" I am not pleased. You might consider taking it to a bank, and they will gladly give you cash for that Money Order. As I saidWells Fargo is a large bank. Thank you, Bill

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:50 AM If the bank says the M.O. is not good, please return it, and other arrangements will be made. This transaction need not take this long. Thank you, Bill

Sent: Tue 4/9/2002 4:04 AM Yes I agree ... the transaction shouldn't take this long. That is why I put specific instructions on the auction and on the confirmation email that it needs to be a USPS money order. USPS money orders can be cashed at the post office. There is no Wells Fargo on the east coast. I took it to my bank today and they couldn't cash it for 2 reasons ... they don't accept money orders and it is made out to DNL ... it isn't an incorporated company it is a website of mine ... but my PO Box is under that name so the post office where I have my box will cash money orders to DNL that are USPS money orders. I have been doing the ebay thing for over 2 years and have figured out what is fastest and easiest for me ... I  will put your money order in the mail for you tomorrow. Liz

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:35 AM A Wells Fargo Money Order does not need to be cashed at a Wells Fargo bank. It is considered the same as cash, because it was made out for the amount of money surrendered at the time it was printed. There is no such thing as a special place to cash a Money Order especially one from a large bank.  Any Money Order, including a USPS Money Order, from me would have been made out to DNL, as that is the name you supplied to me. I have two business names that I do business under, and I can sign for either of them, because I am the owner. That is normal business, and I receive money orders in the name of un-incorporated, sole-proprietor businesses almost every day. If this was not a legitimate business, I needed a name. I, also, don't typically send out blank, signed, Money Orders. This Money Order could have been cashed, and I am disappointed that more effort did not go into to doing so, and I needed this unit soon, for a specific purpose.  When I receive it, I will make other arrangements for payment to you. Once those arrangements for payment have been made, I would appreciate timely shipping of the keyboard. I am sorry this became needlessly complicated, as I have grown accustomed to people recognizing the effort I go through to pay timely. Thank you, Bill

Sent: Tue 4/9/2002 12:19 PM Sir My auction and my email say the ONLY forms of payment I accept are USPS Money Order and PayPal. Why didn't you make an effort to comply to those rules? Why if those rules were SO hard to follow did you bid on my item. It is nice that you are writing to me trying to put me in the wrong but lets get real You didn't follow directions. I took your money order to my bank. I will say this ONE MORE TIME ... MY BANK DOESN'T ACCEPT MONEY ORDERS ... PERIOD. It has nothing to do with it being Wells Fargo ... it doesn't under any circumstances accept money orders. This shouldn't be so hard to understand.  A timely manner of payment would arrive before 13 days after the end of auction and it would comply to the rules of the auction. I appreciate you feel whatever you do is correct and screw the rules outlined in the auction but there is a reason I write the things I write. They aren't guidelines they are the rules. I have put your money order in the mail. I would be more than happy to put this auction back up and let someone buy it that can follow my checkout procedures and that would leave you free to purchase the keyboard from someone else who will take any kind of money order. I will alert ebay that the sale didn't go through and that I need to re-list the item and then we wouldn't need to worry about leaving feedback. Just let me know what you would like to do. Liz

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:49 PM I have already stated what is to be done. When I receive the money order I will make arrangements. The item can then finally be shipped. I spoke to my bank VP today, and they would like to know, specifically, what business would not accept the Money Order. They said they would find out, for me, why that business would not accept it. They also repeated to me what I have said. The money order drawn on that bank, endorsed, by the owner of a legitimate business, incorporated or not, is the same as cash. It is a guarantee of payment. It is NOT a personal check with questionable funding. I understand this, because I have been in business for over 25 years. My accountant does not understand why a business, especially a bank, would not accept it either. I have had several of those discussions. Restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, etc, all understand this. I will have the bank pursue whatever business that felt that this was not legitimate tender. What I was saying earlier, was I feel more effort could have been placed in cashing it, and then we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Also, as I said, this is a first. Nobody has ever told me that a bank money order was not legal tender, and none of those people ever had problems cashing them anywhere in the USA. It’s just fact. Statements of sarcasm and personal digs are not necessary. All I have stated is that this Money Order is legitimate tender, that I had no other name but DNL supplied me, to write the Money Order to, and that I will make arrangements when I receive the original Money Order. Very simple. In addition, as you agreed to accept a ‘mailed’ form of payment, I have no control over the length of time it takes to arrive at your location. My accounts are processed as they come in and are all mailed together, approximately every other day. Thank you, Bill

Sent: Tue 4/9/2002 11:46 PM I am not wasting any more time on this. You didn't follow my check out rules and that is all that matters. They are there for a reason. I don't care what you say, or your bank says or what your accountant says. All that matters is what I say. It is my auction and I have it set up that way for a reason. It isn't my responsibility to drive around town and find someone to cash your money order. The post office and the bank said no that is enough for me. I shouldn't even have to try it isn't what I asked for. According to my auction I didn't receive satisfactory payment within 10 days and I have the right to re-list the item. But if I receive payment through PayPal or a USPS Money Order I will send the keyboard. I feel since we have both been pretty disappointed with the sale of this item that we agree to leave no feedback for each other. I need you to write back and let me know if you agree to this. You should be receiving your money order either Thursday or Friday at the latest. It was sent by priority mail. Liz

And as I was setting up this post ... I received another email from him ... I haven't decided what I will write back yet ...

Sent: Wed 4/10/2002 1:42 AM Hello Liz, I’m not sure why you are continuing this, but it is up to you. I had already told you that I would handle it when I received the Money Order back, and I didn’t realize there was any more to discuss about it, nor was it necessary to “waste” any more time on it. Let me know if you have decided to change that arrangement and do something different now. If you don’t want to sell this item, that is your call. REF: “10 Days” Mailing time is not under my control. REF: “your responsibility to run around…. Etc.”, I am also limited by my resources here, (and I have already done my share of “driving”) and my schedule. I am no where near the P.O. here, and my bank and accountant handle my business. This is not an expensive item or transaction, and I understand that you “don’t care” what I say, and that all that matters is “what” you “say”. I don’t understand the pertinence of that statement, unless it is to tell the customer how unimportant he is.  You were sent very legal tender, from a large bank. They are puzzled too, as to why nobody would accept their Money Order, as it is acceptable to most legitimate businesses, requiring very little “driving”. Yes, I am very disappointed. You have been very determined to make a point of some sort with this transaction, and it is definitely becoming bothersome. Its $50, not the national debt. In my business, I try to make the customer feel like dealing with him isn’t a “bother”. Thank you, Bill

There are some things I want to point out after reading this latest email twice ... #1 he never answered the last question I asked him in my email ... about agreeing to not leave each other feedback ... I mean that was the only reason I wanted to hear from him again ... and #2 this man forgets I have his address ... so I went to the handy usps.com site and found that the address he gave me is .4 miles from the post office ... then there is a post office that is 7 miles ... another one that is 12 miles ... and still yet there are post offices that are 14 and 16 miles away ... I would say .4 miles is pretty fucking close ... in fact it is pretty damn close since the one I go to every single day is 1.9 miles from my house ... and if I can't make it to that one on time on the weekends I travel to one that is 2.3 miles from my house ... maybe I should send him a link to the post office locator ... I don't like people who lie to me ... or people who are pig headed and think what they do is right no matter what others say ... tonight I will need to decide if this man should still get the keyboard or put it back on the auction block and see if someone more worthy should get it ... :)